Comments on Boatang & Demetriou: Steve Uncles: 'to be critical of the EDP is to be ...

I admit I descended to his level. However, I stand...

2009-06-02T19:14:27.987+01:00

I admit I descended to his level. However, I stand by what I say. I'm totally unimpressed with him, but I have to converse in terms he might understand otherwise he'd be lost.

I won't be bothering again.

@Stephen Gash "I'm not especially impressed with ...

2009-06-01T19:47:55.632+01:00

@Stephen Gash

"I'm not especially impressed with JD as he makes every discussion a personal confrontation, thereby doing exactly what he accuses Uncles of."

So, how is any of that different to this?

"I would expect this from a complete twat of a keyboard warrior"

How is that glass house of yours?

John Demetriou said... Mr 'Gash' said: The inve...

2009-06-01T17:27:16.070+01:00

John Demetriou said...
Mr 'Gash' said:

The inverted commas are a case in point. A personal jibe at my name, as if I hadn't seen or heard such jibes before.

Nothing new, but I would expect this from a complete twat of a keyboard warrior who hides behind a pseudonym.

Mr Rob said: But Stephen Gash, be aware that by se...

2009-06-01T17:18:29.279+01:00

Mr Rob said: But Stephen Gash, be aware that by seeking to persuade JD to stop,I'm not trying to get him to do anything. I'm merely making an observation as to what I consider to be going on. Also, my reference to ringers was immediately assumed to mean those critical of Uncles, interestingly.

I'm not especially impressed with JD as he makes every discussion a personal

Well said, Mr Rob and SteveShark. I'm also unsure...

2009-05-31T22:09:34.765+01:00

Well said, Mr Rob and SteveShark.

I'm also unsure as to why the English Democrats are so upset with me?

Think about it...their lead candidate for the South East has piped up and acclaimed all this exposure as the catalyst for a burts of new members and support.

Surely I'm doing you all a favour, no?

New article up, by the way.

Enjoy!

I've been reading Uncles' posts in the English Dem...

2009-05-31T21:24:11.106+01:00

I've been reading Uncles' posts in the English Democracy forum and I've tried to be as impartial as I can.

But, honestly, what is there to respect, like or take seriously about the guy?

I admit that I'm biased - I don't really like many politicians at all, but I can see how some attract followers.

But Uncles...I really can't see the attraction, and if I could, I

Hi everybody! JD, has it occurred to you that Mr ...

2009-05-31T21:16:50.301+01:00

Hi everybody!

JD, has it occurred to you that Mr Gash was being complimentary, and by his use of the term "ringer" he meant professionals, people far better than the usual lot?

Like when at the time of the annual inter-village cricket match the fielders of Little Felching gaze in horror as the two opening batsmen from Bigotswestry stride out from the pavilion and they

An excellent, balanced and informative comment fro...

2009-05-31T21:13:59.840+01:00

An excellent, balanced and informative comment from Toque above.

I refer all readers of this current dialogue to his words and ask them to be cognizant of his warning on the dodgy, questionable and unscrupulous English Democrats Party.

Gordon Brown leaves not only a lot, but everything...

2009-05-31T20:42:42.695+01:00

Gordon Brown leaves not only a lot, but everything, to be desired, and he is PM, God help us.Very true, and I've spent an inordinate amount of time criticising practically everything Gordon Brown does. However, Gordon Brown doesn't respond to my criticism with accusations that I must be a BNP member, or by telling me that he'd like me to commit suicide, or by calling me an anglophobe or a

Mr 'Gash' said: "However, this tirade is not abou...

2009-05-31T19:47:49.356+01:00

Mr 'Gash' said:

"However, this tirade is not about politicies, it's about personalities. The whole useless argument is based on mutual dislike between individuals."

Incorrect. It's certainly an interesting concept, but disliking someone I have never met would be a new one for me.

No - this has zero to do with personalities clashing. This has to do with the fact

John Demetriou said... If you are that arrogant a...

2009-05-31T19:44:56.260+01:00

John Demetriou said...
If you are that arrogant and blinkered, that you think detractors of your party can only be part of some sinister set-up, then I'm clearly talking to an imbecile.

...

As if by highlighting one thing, I must have an alternate agenda.

That you only think in these black and white terms says it all.LOL! Of course this statement is

Toque This apparent link doesn't work Chris Ligh...

2009-05-31T19:37:33.797+01:00

Toque

This apparent link doesn't work

Chris Lightfoot was threatend with legal action by the EDP

If it was intended to be a link could you put it up again please?

I'm not in the EDP. However, when I was a member ...

2009-05-31T19:33:59.619+01:00

I'm not in the EDP.

However, when I was a member I defended accusations head on, as I defend an English Parliament.

So, to suggest I have to resort to conspiracy theories is absurd.

However, this tirade is not about politicies, it's about personalities. The whole useless argument is based on mutual dislike between individuals.

Carrying it on in public

I haven't a clue what this 'ringer' thing is suppo...

2009-05-31T18:19:12.206+01:00

I haven't a clue what this 'ringer' thing is supposed to mean. If you are that arrogant and blinkered, that you think detractors of your party can only be part of some sinister set-up, then I'm clearly talking to an imbecile.

You asked:

"pray tell us who you are going to persuade people to vote for?"

As if by highlighting one thing, I must have an alternate agenda

Rob wrote: You forget I have spent the last couple...

2009-05-31T16:01:49.880+01:00

Rob wrote: You forget I have spent the last couple of days corresponding with English Democrats. There are many words I could use to desribe them, but "moderate" does not spring to mind. Which English Democrats are they? I know there are many reasonable people in the EDP. "Moderate" is used to describe people who, in my experience are anything but.

"Liberal" has now actually

tally You forget I have spent the last couple of ...

2009-05-31T10:36:48.242+01:00

tally

You forget I have spent the last couple of days corresponding with English Democrats. There are many words I could use to desribe them, but "moderate" does not spring to mind. I do accept that a few sad cases on a forum do not necessarily represent a party, BUT, and it's a killer BUT -

if you have a loose cannon, it's strange how all of the moderate English Democrats

For humour: Steve Uncles is cagey about how near ...

2009-05-31T10:35:51.184+01:00

For humour:

Steve Uncles is cagey about how near they are to a deal when we call, but appears realistically attuned to the nature of the beast. "Love him or hate him," he observes, "Mr Kilroy-Silk does have an ability to attract public attention."

If you're going to do a CIF why not do one on the ...

2009-05-31T03:18:26.616+01:00

If you're going to do a CIF why not do one on the case for an English Parliament? We have enough problems getting the Campaign English Parliament message out without people lobbing grenades at individuals. There are many moderate people involved in the CEP and English Democrats.we are a grassroots movement and there is bound to be a few loose cannons in the mix.Why not join the CEP and find out

Here's a thought. I might give this some exposure ...

2009-05-31T00:39:00.044+01:00

Here's a thought. I might give this some exposure on the Guardian Comment is Free blog. I have posting rights on that. I'll wait for an appropriate article to show up (which is likely given the elections on Thurs) and I'll lump on.

Links, lock, stock, the fuckin' lot.

(He even looks a bit like The Guvnor doesn't he?")

apart from that he's a top bloke though! Tomorrow...

2009-05-31T00:33:03.416+01:00

apart from that he's a top bloke though!

Tomorrow (or today) is another day.

Yeah it's only 5 days, it seems to be worth it.

"Boing" said Zebedee.

What a disengenous prat he is. Link: http://www.d...

2009-05-31T00:20:19.625+01:00

What a disengenous prat he is.

Link: http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/english-democrats/62365-not-voting-english-democrats-anti-english.html

He's changed tack completely. The question wasn't about bloody voting for the EDP...it was, as per my very first article that started all this off, about being CRITICAL of the EDP manifesto.

This he stated, is to be

yep, very important not to go off the deep end wit...

2009-05-31T00:06:47.661+01:00

yep, very important not to go off the deep end with him.

Just seen his new post - typos aside it's a cracker, but he's starting to drift away from his original assertion. He's now talking about not VOTING EDP being anti-English - but of course, how could one tell whom someone had voted for?

His original criticising or not agreeing with the EDP being anti-English is far more

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to make of that. I.e. the...

2009-05-31T00:00:29.390+01:00

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to make of that. I.e. the whole picture of white kids versus picture of Mongolian kids.

He doesn't seem to make himself clear even on the most elementary of queries.

So he supports the concept of 'children of England', but then ambiguously posts up pictures of white flag waving kids and foreign kids.

What is this supposed to tell us?

could be, I don't blame him either, I just think h...

2009-05-30T23:51:57.881+01:00

could be, I don't blame him either, I just think he's wrong!

BTW have you seen what Uncles has just posted on the new "14 words" thread over there? He is very very weird.

HAHA yes, indeed Mr Rob, the, er, 'pseudonym issue...

2009-05-30T23:39:42.919+01:00

HAHA yes, indeed Mr Rob, the, er, 'pseudonym issue'.

I know that you and I agree on this, for reasons that are clear and perintent to the current discussion.

I see it as slightly sad that this isn't understood by you-know-who, but then again, I don't blame him at all to be fair. I think it's a generational thing, rather than anything else.