Monday, 8 February 2010

Tiger Woods, Nike and Slave Labour In Thailand. Your Actions, Their Freedom

How much do you value your employment rights cialis online? Pretty highly would be my guess. You have a contract of employment and you get paid each week/month. Even if you are in the lowest bracket for income, you will still have enough money to live on and you will still have basic employment rights viagra pills online.

You get a lunch break, you get a tea break, you have hours of work. If your employer breaks these rules you can take them to court. All of this is due to the employment law that western countries enjoy. These laws create a basic framework that ensure your basic freedoms from your employer, unlike a hundred or so years ago when you were the worker and you boss was god.

Many of the reasons for these laws are quite simple: unions. The collectivisation of workers to form a body that represents their interests as a whole. As a larger body that would usually represent whole sectors, rights and practices were established to create security and freedom. Some unions may well go beyond this and become political, but fundamentally they are about getting a better deal for the employee from the employer.

Now imagine a country where none of these rights exist. It's not hard, because Thailand is just one example.

The link to Tiger 'Eldrick' Woods struck me this morning. He is a quarter Thai through his mother and has a huge contract with Nike, which has made him the richest sportsman in the world. Nike employ an estimated 70,000 people in Thailand at practically slave labour levels. Tiger Woods, therefore, is a very rich man because, in effect, his own relatives work for almost nothing with no rights to give the huge mark ups that allow Nike to make huge profits. Woods earns $55,000 a day from his deal with Nike.

Workers are actively stopped from organising, that is, forming a union. In fact production is being put through a series of subcontractors that do not allow unions.

That $55,000 a day is estimated to be worth the daily wage of 14,000 Thai Nike workers. To make that easy for you that means they are earning about $4 a day. But that isn't all, the factories are being closed and moved to more rural locations with even lower pay that results in earnings being more like $7 a week.

There you are, working away with no breaks and no social contact hoping your practically powerless union can help, then one day that's it. Factory closed, moved a few hundred miles away and your job given to a person that will do it for even less money and even worse conditions with zero union representation. You now have nothing and the person who now has your job is utterly powerless.

But a survey by the Global Alliance for Workers Communities covered 3,800 Nike workers in Vietnam and Thailand and that found that Nike workers in foreign factories feel safe and believe they are paid fairly though they want better health care and more training.

Nike paid for the study.

Here is a site that covers a series of cases about Nike in Thailand. Workers are not allowed to talk, conditions are poor. If a woman becomes pregnant she can be fired, something that is resolved in the Honduras plants by giving them contraceptive jabs.

The only reason these conditions exist is because companies like Nike allow it to and people like Tiger Woods sit back and take the cash without thinking about how that cash is generated. Of course, wages are going to be relative, but conditions don't have to be. Why is it okay for a 12 year old in Thailand or Vietnam to work 14 hour days in a locked windowless room with no ventilation, sitting on a block and churning out endless numbers of trainers and if they talk they get fired, but not in the West?

Freedom may be under threat in western countries with an ever expanding state and restrictions being placed upon what people can do, but in places like Thailand that freedom can only be dreamed of.

A huge amount is made of Woods' recent private problems, which when all is said and done has no effect on anyone other than his family, yet nobody raises the question of why he is so prepared to sit back and accept the dollars without standing up for the people that create them, many of which are from the same country as his mother.

It is when conditions like this are considered that the value of unions becomes clear. When you remove the rights of people to come together and broker better pay and conditions, the results can be disgraceful. Which is why unions were formed here in the first place.

People who argue that if better pay and conditions were allowed in these countries the prices in the West would become higher are deluding themselves. This isn't just Nike and other sportswear companies, it is the entire clothing industry, from Wal-Mart to LVMH.

The high street price is set at the profit they want to make, not the production cost. That pair of £100 trainers has probably cost no more that £1 to make, with research and development and publicity costs added on top. If the production cost were to be £3, the price of the trainers would still come out at £100.

In turn these corporations are propping up ruthless states. It is the employment of the masses at slave rates that produces the economic power of countries like China. It is what gives the poor of Vietnam and Thailand employment, without which they would probably rise up in revolt. In short, those jobs are creating a false society.

The campaign for greater freedom is not limited to our own borders. The goods hat we consume and the companies that make them operate far outside of them in places that have no freedoms at all. We can help those that cannot help themselves by fighting their fight as part of our own.

Think about what you are buying and by doing so what you are propping up. Because it is hypocritical to demand freedom here when your own economic activity ensures the removal of liberty for others.

42 comments:

Obnoxio The Clown said...

*sigh*

And you'd been doing so well.

Can I just ask you something: is Nike going out with armed posses to press-gang these people into service? Or is it remotely possible that for those people, $7 a week is actually a better option than anything else they can find?

The Suburban Bushwacker said...

Fight the power
SBW

Peter said...

Brilliant post.

Peter said...

Good to see Obnoxio the Clown representing the most disgusting tendency in Libertarianism though -

"if you're so poor you'll sign a contract that prohibits you from unionising, it's your own fucking fault!"

$7 a week may be better than anything else than they can find. But it is still true that the workers on $7 a week are denied important employment rights (eg. the right to unionise) by Nike, and that's wrong.

I am Stan said...

It`s called exploitation,

Tiger is too busy spending his 55 grand a day,shagging totty and wandering around a field hitting a ball with an iron bar to let his mind wander over to Thailand and his exploited kinsmen.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Jesus wept.

There is already movement to higher wages in these countries, which is precisely why Nike is moving its factories into the rurals. These people are bootstrapping themselves into the same kind of wealth that the Japanese and the Chinese already have, and all you can do is badmouth Libertarianism for pointing out that the market is working.

Very soon, the whole of Asia, with or without unions, will be earning what we would recognise as a half-decent wedge. Then manufacturing will move to Africa and all you twats will start bleating about how hard done by the un-unionised Africans are, while completely forgetting about the Asians, who will probably be unionised up to the point where they'll become as useless as mass manufacture as the British.

Go the unions! Yay for manufacturing!

I am Stan said...

Obo surely Nike can pay them a decent wage and allow them to unionise at least, if they wish..I would have thought that would be the Libertarian thing to do.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

If Nike wants to do that, by all means. But what the fuck does it have to do with Libertarianism?

I am Stan said...

If the Thais want to form a union thats what the fuck!

Anonymous said...

How about viewing it as... "Nike gives the rural poor a choice out of utter destitution, squalor, prostitution, disease, starvation and death by providing legitimate paid work for the first time ever...."

I am Stan said...

How about viewing it as... "Nike gives the rural poor a choice out of utter destitution, squalor, prostitution, disease, starvation and death by providing legitimate paid work for the first time ever...."

Yeah nice,or how about viewing it as ,multibillion pound corporation scours the world for the most desperate piss poor workers,pays them peanuts and surpreses any desires or opertunities to organise themselves in case they ask for better wages and working conditions.

Willy said...

I read somewhere, that the Lancashire cotton mill owners had the power to end slavery in the American southern states, yet did nothing.

I can't help thinking a similar situation exists today.

J Demetriou said...

"If Nike wants to do that, by all means. But what the fuck does it have to do with Libertarianism?"

Fucking disgraceful.

Vladimir said...

I'd rather be hearing about how libertarianism will ensure that nobody gets exploited like this by some mechanism (e.g. rule of law), than be hearing about how it's not really exploitation and slavery, and everything is fine really.

I was reading about Dubai, a city basically built by slaves, with pitiful wages and no possibility of leaving employment. Some describe Dubai as the ultimate libertarian city, but I think it quite plainly isn't, since the labour market isn't free.

J Demetriou said...

A lot of bullshit passes as 'free trade' and 'libertarianism' when it fucking well clearly isn't.

People say we have free trade. People say George W Bush was pro free trade. They are totally ill-informed.

As for libertarianism being anti-union, I've never heard anything so preposterous. I fail to see why it is unlibertarian to be about people power and the right to combine and campaign for better rights.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah nice,or how about viewing it as ,multibillion pound corporation scours the world for the most desperate piss poor workers,pays them peanuts and surpreses any desires or opertunities to organise themselves in case they ask for better wages and working conditions."

or

Scours the world for the most in need to give jobs to.

Jesus wept... do you think these people would have a better or worse life without Nike jobs? Of course, we want better for these people, but only the wildest swivel eyed Marxists can believe that you can't go from abject poverty straight to utopia.

I am Stan said...

@Anon-Utopia is an impossible dream I believe,decent wages and the right to organise with reps to speak on your behalf for a good deal is not.

If you seriously think that Nike,

"Scours the world for the most in need to give jobs to." then you are swivel eyed and delusional,do you have share`s in Nike or something?

Anonymous said...

And what a load of bullshit about freedom and unionisation. Sure you are free to form a union - go for it. So why can't an employer be free to tell you to fuck off elsewhere if you want a union....

If I start a business - I'd rather slit my eyes than accept load of fucking union agitators setting about destroying my hard earned/saved start up capital....

J Demetriou said...

Under 19:22's logic, unions wouldn't exist, because all employers would quickly realise that the ban them would effectively give the workers no choice but to obey.

Rights of the businessman versus rights of the worker. At some point, there has to be a balance struck in the interests of liberty for all parties.

Hence why the current laws on Unions, as left by Thatcher, are about right.

Anonymous said...

"Scours the world for the most in need to give jobs to." then you are swivel eyed and delusional,do you have share`s in Nike or something?

No, I don't believe that that is what Nike set out to do... they seek to make profit. But I believe it is the practical result. Employers seek the cheapest labour. By and large the cheapest labour is people who are the most deseperate. Money goes into the impoverished areas. More companies realise there is cheap labour available, and follow. Gradually increasing competition starts to slowly raise wages/conditions. Money begats trade, trade creates wealth, and slowly an area is lifted out of poverty.

It's called economic growth.. and it happened in Jakarta, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, London, New York...

J Demetriou said...

I applaud Mr B for an excellent article, and one with impeccable libertarian credentials.

There is nothing libertarian about denying people basic rights and freedoms. It's not OK, just because they have a bit of paper in their hand saying they own the factory gates.

Fuck sake, wake up you AnCaps.

Mr Rob said...

I find this distasteful, but I might have to agree with Obo here....

If Thai employers employ people in similar conditions but pay them less, does that make Nike an improvement?

If the "rights" which some of us (and despite your first paragraph, by no means all of us, me included) have come to enjoy are not present in Thailand, can Nike be accused of "depriving" people of these rights?

Are people getting indignant because of the plight of Thai workers in general, or because they work for Nike and Nike are very profitable? If it were not for Nike's presence there, would you give a fuck? Did you give a fuck before Nike moved there?

Is it Nike's responsibility to promote in Thailand a social revolution in workers' rights that took decades to occur elsewhere?

Anonymous said...

JD. Bollocks. Love the blog, but this is bollocks.

Wealth comes from trade, and it has to start somewhere. Everywhere you look, the beginnings of wealth creation in history were not pretty. But look at the alternative methods - try the communists or fascists instead maybe?

You look at the grinding hardship of the industrial revolution and you weep. That is until you realise that their previous generation came from serfdom, and that what industrialisation meant to them was improved sanitation, escape from malnutrition, disease and increased life expectancy. Nobody on earth would ever say their existence was desirable - but it was BETTER.

Each generation moved that bit further out of poverty.

My grandfather was orpahned in the Megali Catastrophe of 1919-22 in Greece, and his family were close to edge in the years of extreme hardship, poverty, disease after the end of WW2. He wanted a job - any job that would keep them from begging and much worse, so, get off your fucking high horses about AnCap and come to terms with the fact that anyone who provides a chance a job to the desperately poor is not incarnate evil.

Kevin Boatang said...

I think people need to keep the following in mind:

People die because of this.

The Unions are not gotten rid of because they are 'kicking off', they are being gotten rid of because they present the unified face of the workers, which is what the factories don't want.

And the factories are run by Thais that then sell their products to Nike, Reebok, Primark and all the rest of them.

What we have here is the 1850s. No rights, squalid conditions, dangerous working conditions, children being killed by looms.

Was that a good thing because they earn't 'more money' than being a farm worker? No, it wasn't was it.

What is the point in being a libertarian that demands freedom yet then state that you have no issue with slavery?

And it is economic slavery. You might as well sit there and say fuck it, the blacks in the south had a great time because they got free food and lodgings and got to sing some really great songs.

These workers have no choice and when they come together t demand one, they are fired and then starve.

It is not Nike's job to promote a social revolution, but let's not forget a primary here: money = freedom. No money, no freedom. Without decent wages these people have no freedom and therefore Nike and co are propping up regimes that all of us would agree are wrong.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Your right as an employee to form a union must be matched by my equally important right as an employer to tell a union to fuck off.

If I as an employer choose to allow a union, that's fine, but if I don't want a union, are you saying I'm not allowed to tell the union to fuck off?

What about MY rights?

Anonymous said...

"What we have here is the 1850s. No rights, squalid conditions, dangerous working conditions, children being killed by looms.

Was that a good thing because they earn't 'more money' than being a farm worker? No, it wasn't was it."

Are you really so naive that you think that all the industrial revolution brought to people was to "earn't more money"?? That what came before was, as you gloriously put it, "being a farm worker" like it was something off fucking Emmerdale?

Pre inductrialisation life meant children being worked to death on fields. It meant unchecked pestilence. Grinding cold. Baking heat. Malnutrition. Complete abject exploitation by fuedal landlords. A very high chance of childbirth meaning death for mother and child.

Anything represented an improvement.

Kevin Boatang said...

A reality check for what these people are earning

http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtml

The working classes lived in filth in the industrial revolution Anon, I suggest you read up a bit.

That's right Obo, it's all about you.

Anonymous said...

KB

"The working classes lived in filth in the industrial revolution Anon, I suggest you read up a bit."

Where have I ever said that they didn't? Where did I ever say that conditions in the industrial revolution were anything other than horrific?

All I am trying to say it that they were EVEN worse (if one can imagine it) before, and that to the people of the time it represented the START of things getting that tiny bit better, otherwise that would have just stayed on Emmerdale farm, gently and wistfully wiling those summer months away, Darling Buds of May styley....

Mr Rob said...

Oh, by the way chaps, compare and contrast:

"The link to Tiger 'Eldrick' Woods struck me this morning. He is a quarter Thai through his mother and has a huge contract with Nike, which has made him the richest sportsman in the world. Nike employ an estimated 70,000 people in Thailand at practically slave labour levels. Tiger Woods, therefore, is a very rich man because, in effect, his own relatives work for almost nothing with no rights to give the huge mark ups that allow Nike to make huge profits."
KB

and

"Just because I, or anyone out there, is of a certain background, and their genetics sort of merge with those of people from a vague general part of the globe, doesn't mean that we share intrinsic, cultural links and are bound by blood loyalty."
JD

Ah....errr....ummm........oh!

"What the fuck is it with people these days, that they have to talk like this?"
JD

Well, quite....

J Demetriou said...

Two different people in two different opinions shocker.

Sorry, Mr Rob, just because I agreed with the pro union thrust of Mr Boatang's piece, doesn't mean I agree with 100% of everything he writes, at all times.

Nice try though, mush.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

KB, your link is fucked.

And it's not about me, it's about any fucking employer.

Why does the employee have the right to unionise but the employer doesn't have the right to reject the union?

Doesn't sound very libertarian to me.

J Demetriou said...

Union busting is libertarian, is it?

Lovely stuff. Nice terms and conditions there. A list of what you can and can't do outside of the day to day duties of your job.

Sweet.

Anonymous said...

So what you are basically saying is that these people are so scared of losing their job, that they won't all get together and say 'fuck you we are in a union, one out = all out'
which tells me that there are enough people waiting and willing to jump into their shitty jobs instead. Therefore the hellish crap Nike are offering is better than no Nike. As and when pay conditions get bad enough and overall life gets good enough, the workers WILL stick together and Nike can get over it or get out.
Meantime if there is sufficient concern and demand in the affluent world for trainers made in better working conditions then we will see new companies doing that and the likes of Nike rethinking. Sad to say but our unquestioning cheapskate sheeple are only likely to care if celebs like Tiger tell them to.
Life's a bitch.
Al.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Are they union busting or are they saying "if you want to work here, you can't unionise"?

Personally, I wouldn't accept a union for any business I ran. If that makes me a "union buster", well, I guess that's what I am.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

PS If they make those conditions and I sign them ... well ...

The thing that you keep ignoring is that life for the average rural Thai is so fucking shit that $7 a week and all the external conditions is a fucking bargain and I bet they have absolutely NO trouble filling their jobs.

No-one is going around the Thai countryside with a press gang. If they were, that would be a whole different kettle of fish.

Kevin Boatang said...

http://www.worldsalaries.org/thailand.shtml

Should work. Basically, the lowest average wage for a poor job (a cleaner) is vastly more than these people are getting.

People do these jobs because there are no other jobs, simple as that. They either do this and have a shit nasty life and eat, or they starve.

That doesn't make it right.

Obo.

Your position is now bizarre. You have thright, of course, to not accept the union, but when was the last time an employer sacked there entire workforce? It just doesn't happen. MOst unions are not militant and neither are most workers. The workers in these shitholes are not militant, they just want windows and somefrsh air, maybe a half hour break to have a drink beore they die of the heat.

What you are now saying thoough is that the property owner has absolute rights and that the people within that property have no rights, even if that leads to slavery and child labour.

You advocate ownership, nothing more. Your position has nothing to do with freedom or liberty.

In your propertarian world Obo, how do the people that live on that estate represent themselves? You don't allow the collectivisation of people, so they are by themselves.

The people in these factories are children that are working for peanuts because their parents have to send them to work so they can have rice for dinner. They are child slaves Obo. Or serfs if you like.

No freedom, no rights, no voice, no money, no education, no representation.

For you that is great, because the owner of the factory is all that matters and fuck them all.

All you want is ownership, not liberty. In your world of ownership, which you laughably call libertarian, if that ownership results in slavery and children dying in sweatshops then so be it.

Some people here act as if these people have a choice, if they don't like it they can leave and become taxi drivers.

You say you want freedom, but you don't. You want freedom for the few and serfdom for the rest.

Willy said...

I agree with your right to tell the union to Fuck Off.

How would you handle the picket line outside your place of business.

Call the Pigs?

I disagree with state sponsored slavery.

Mr Rob said...

JD, I wasn't "try"ing anything...it did dawn on me some time ago that you and Kevin are two different people, and thus may hold two different views. I think the main thing that gave this away was your using two different names.

I just thought it would be interesting were Kevin to answer your own question:

"What the fuck is it with people these days, that they have to talk like this?"

Over to you, mushes :-)

PS I didn't think it would be long before Obo started to say things with which I disagree, but then I'm not a libertarian.

Kevin Boatang said...

Mr R, I can see JD's view in terms of creating a false community (which I have commented on with my views on the relevant piece) through ethnic origin etc.

That doesn't mean to say though that people don't have a connection to where their families are from.

My view on Woods is not so much that he has a duty as some perceived son of Thai, but that when he looks at the protesters who begged him to act on their behalf (they made a point that it had nothing to do with his mum), and then looked at his mother maybe he could feel a greater sense of empathy.

He didn't. He turned away, made no comment and left. He should be concerned simply because he is a human being, but he does have a greater connection through his family.

@Willy, fair point. The owner crosses a line and the collective action by the employees takes a stand. If he wants to fire them all that is his choice, but it doesn't happen for the obvious reason of then having to find replacements and deal with the negative consequences. That doesn't happen in places like Thailand where the people in the sweatshop are worthless.

Maybe we could look at the example of the New Balance factory here in the UK as an example of good products can be made in western countries and sold at the same price. And the workers love it there, with no need to use the unions, because they are treated properly.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

KB, your link just pops up this window. Hover your mouse pointer over it and you'll see.

Having read your links, it seems that "someone" wants to unionise and the factory (which is only a supplier to Nike and not actually Nike) doesn't want the union.

I will accept the claims of violence at face value, but I did get a mental image of an irritating cunt screaming "come and see the violence inherent in the system".

I don't endorse any violence but I do support the factory's right to tell the union to fuck off.

Kevin Boatang said...

Not sure why that isn't working. Copy and paste, it's a breakdown of the average wages etc, in fact you can look up other countries too.

The relationship Nike has with the factories is weird though, there was a big to-do about it because they refused for years to disclose where the hell their stuff was made. They simply 'sub-contract' the factory side, i.e. someone elses name on the door. That's all it is, it's still theirs.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

No, they don't, because the factories make shoes for a range of manufacturers, not just Nike.