Friday, 8 January 2010

The Call For A New Crackdown On Alcohol

This morning I witnessed the most annoying thing so far this year. Don Shenker (or is it Shenkar? Even the BBC don't know). He is the chief executive of Alcohol Concern and is from now on public enemy number one, nudging Dacre down a spot in the new years Boatang Hit Squad Parade.

What a total cunt.

I'm not the only one, as this particularly enlightened blogger is testament to with their blog 'Don Shenker Is A Cunt'. Quite so.

Seriously, look at him. Just fucking look at him.

The most stunning comment he made this morning was that it is a fact that when prices are put up to deter alcohol use it does not punish moderate drinkers, just the target audience. Yes, 'Problem Drinkers'. What a load of bollocks.


Before I carry on, I think a definition is in order. Problem Drinker. This seems to be fairly hard to find as it goes, however the medical dictionary I have found states that you must meet two of the following three criteria to qualify:
  1. 5+ alcoholic drinks on any one occasion at least once per month–'heavy drinking'

  2. One or more alcohol-related social consequences–eg, drunk-driving, public drunkenness arrests, alcohol-related criminal arrests, traffic or other accidents when drinking, confrontations about alcohol-related health problems by a medical practitioner, alcohol-related family or on-the-job problems

  3. One or more symptoms of alcohol dependence–eg, having an alcoholic drink upon awakening–an 'eye-opener', shaking hands, awakening not remembering the events that occurred while drinking
Right, the first one is a lot of people and frankly that isn't an issue. One night in thirty where you have five pints, no biggy. However, the other two are getting into serious territory and are very much symptoms of full blown alcoholism. This is not binge drinking, which appears to have been dropped as a term because people have realised it is complete shite as a definition.

But another set of criteria lists it as this:
  • Have cirrhosis or another alcohol related condition.
  • Binge drink and get drunk quite often. This may cause you to lose time off work, or behave in an antisocial way when you drink. But note: not everybody with problem drinking binges or gets drunk. Many people with an alcohol related condition such as cirrhosis drink small amounts frequently, but do not get drunk.
  • Spend more money on alcohol than you can afford.
  • Have problems with your relationships or at work because of your drinking.

So, in all seriousness, when you compile the two to get a picture of what is classified as a Problem Drinker we're getting into serious fucked up territory aren't we. A lot of money on booze to the extent where you are in trouble with the law/your boss, either full blown binge sessions on a regular basis or a constant drip dripping of fair sized amounts and a medical problem as a result.

The only thing separating them from alcoholics is that they are not addicted.

This is a large part of the issue, because the report that has been released by the bunch of MPs that want you and me to stump up more tax on our drinks because Tia from Bolton gets lashed on cider have stated that 'if everyone stuck to their safe drinking limits, alcohol sales in the UK would fall by 40%. ', so one unit then. Who the fuck goes to a pub and drinks one unit?

Of course sales would fall by 40%, because it would defy the entire point of going to the fucking pub in the fucking first place.

They also completely miss that should this happen, a serious number of pubs would close in a week, not to mention the entire industry being crippled.

From the BBC:

It is estimated alcohol abuse in England and Wales kills 40,000 people and costs the economy £55bn every year

And what? It is legal, it is in fact part of our culture and it is a free choice. Only a total moron would be unaware of the dangers of excessive drinking and to be a tad harsh, most of the above would be alcoholics, not Mr Pub. But how much does it benefit the economy by? And what numbers go into that £55 billion?

This part I have visited before and the numbers they use here are wild approximations and include such reliable data as time lost to the work place through sickness, loss to the employer through lack of efficiency and so on. All I care about is how much in actual tax it costs the state, i.e. to the NHS to treat people. But that isn't anywhere near a big enough number.

The MPs have even attacked trying to educate people. Yup, waste of time they say because the booze industry spends vastly more on telling them how great it is. So, the solution is to stop trying to tell people and simply ban it? No! That would be silly, what you do is stop telling them about it and just tax the shit out of them.

So what does Don say on this?
If they don't act on these recommendations now, they'll lose all credibility in their stated attempts to change British drinking culture

Oh yeah, because their credibility is sky fucking high anyway isn't it! Fuck me Don, get a grip mate. And surely this is not an overnight thing? At what point is changing such attitudes (I'm not advocating that) a quick thing to do? We're talking generational change here.

But to track back a tad before going on, how many actual alcoholics are there? Well, according to Patient.co.uk we're looking at, wait for it...8 in every 100.

Oh yeah, 8%. Of the adult population which I guess is about, what, 40 million? Roughly? So we're talking over 3.2 million people are alcoholics. That isn't in addition to Problem Drinkers, that's just full blown addicts.

However AA has a membership of around 40,000. Something doesn't quite add up here to be honest and again, I have to be cynical about the numbers.

They also go on about hazardous drinking. For a bloke that is more than 21 units of alcohol per week, and no more than four units in any one day. Half a pint is one unit (roughly and it must be remembered that a unit is just some random thing). So more than two pints of regular beer in one day is hazardous.

Can you see the problem here? Very quickly a huge number of people are in the hazard zone without even a Top Gun style theme tune for comfort. A vast number of people are not just in the hazard zone, or even the worryingly defined Problem Drinker phase, but are full blown alcoholics.

And how do Don and his mates in parliament want to solve this? Tax. Education fails they say, but banning it would be oh so harsh, so let's whack up the tax. Here I feel like Harry Hill and 'Bring on the wall!', 'Whack up the tax!'.

One problem. Doesn't fucking work does it numb nuts. A stat from DSIAC is very illustrative - 'Between 1980 and 2008, the price of alcohol increased by 283.3%. After inflation (at 21.3%), alcohol prices increased by 19.3% over the period.'

So Don Shenker. Alcohol Concern. That sounds all very noble does it not? No it fucking doesn't. This utter cunt wants you and me to stand with our nuts in a bag sipping our weekly half pint and be grateful. Well, you know what Don? Fuck you and yer army of dickless bastards.

Who the fuck are they? Well, they are a charity "supported with funding from the Department of Health". So not then. How is that a charity? What they are is a quango funded by the government to campaign, weirdly, against the government's own policies. They are there to jump up and down and rant and rave and influence the state in order to fuck you and me.

If you want to laugh like a nutter, have a look at the staff list. Look at them! Fuck me it's like some sort breeding experiment. But you could even become a member! Oh yeah, not at these fucking rates pal.

This lot are a bunch of wankers they really are.

People drink. The vast, vast majority of people drink normal amounts and let's face it, as we get older we tend to drink less and differently. The reason most of us drank in our teens is because it was 'well 'ard' to do so. Everyone has done it, I bet you a fair wedge Don did. But the current issues are nothing to do with alcohol, they are to do with social deprivation and always have been. Gin was banned in the 19th century because the slum living masses were getting off their faces on it to such extent action had to be taken. Why did they? Because their lives were total shit.

And remember people, we only have the restrictions on booze we do now because of wars and the advent of the car.

14 year olds buy cheap cider and get drunk mainly because their lives are shit and everyone else is doing it. That's it. If they are to target anything then it should be specifically the cheap shit ciders, something they could easily target with a minimum retail price on quantities of 500ml or more in retail outlets. But they don't want to do that. They want a minimum price per unit across the board, they want increased tax across the board.

The evidence is already that pubs are closing at a rate of knots and less and less people are drinking. People just can't afford it.

So cheers Don, you cunt.

I'm off to define anyone who drives 20-30 miles per day 4 days or more a week as a Problem Driver. Or maybe anyone who has facial hair, works for a quango and is called Don as a Problem Wanker.

*My anger is with the quangos (and Don) and state policy that has led to the unfair increases on duties and taxes for the normal person. Alcoholism is a serious issue and if you have read through this while drinking your morning bottle of vodka taken from the secret place, please visit www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk

21 comments:

manwiddicombe said...

They also go on about hazardous drinking. For a bloke that is more than 21 units of alcohol per week, and no more than four units in any one day. Half a pint is one unit

Do you remember not so long ago that the guideline for alcohol intake was 28 units per week? Then it became 3-4 units per day and now they've changed it to 21 units per week.

How long before that shifts again to 2-3 units per day?

Also, a pint of Fosters is 2.3 UK units (units vary in different countries), a pint of Stella is 2.8 UK units so drinking more than one of those breaks the 'daily guidance'.


I agree with you that Shenker is a full blown cunt. Did you see him talking on the BBC this morning? I nearly threw things at my TV.

Kevin Boatang said...

Yeah that is where I first encountered this total fucker. I was the same, I had the whaling harpoon I keep next the bed for these very occasions all ready to launch before Lady B stopped me.

He talks about these things as if they are fact 'If we don't something about this then something will happen', that isn't a fucking fact you wanker. The numbers they use, the evidence they come out with, even the units and the stats are all subject to huge interpretation.

What a tosser.

George said...

I am a 41yr old male, I abstain from drinking during the week and have a drink at home during the weekend evenings, I also like a drink on Sundays whilst preparing the dinner and sitting down to watch the footie, if Spurs are on I might drink more than usual, I will more than likely drink about 20 cans of Stella over the week. I buy all my lager during promotional periods and keep a nice stock in my garage. Now I suppose I must consume about 40 - 50 units a week (I cannot be bothered to work it out) so that puts me in the problem drinker bracket, but I have never been to the doctors with a health problem in fact I go to the gym 3 times a week and am quite fit and healthy, I manage to fulfill all my work and personal commitments without any problems, and I am never violent when I have had a drink, but I am willing to make an exception if that cunt Don wants to come and have a word with me.

Dick Puddlecote said...

Top rant, Kev.

The way they talk of a 40% reduction in the drinks trade is chilling. It's strikingly reminiscent of the attacks on the tobacco industry in the last 15 years or so - talking as if alcohol is an incontestable evil and that we are all agreed on the matter.

A bit of 'the debate is over' and the evidence is overwhelming' thrown in, as you say, and we have an archetypal righteous bundle. Did you see the list of quangoistas and fake charity spokesmen wheeled out by the BBC with merely a brief rebuttal from one member of the Portman Group by way of impartiality.

It's going to get much, much worse too.

I'm out early tonight to exceed my daily limit in London, but got to have a small stab at this myself (though won't be anywhere near as in-depth as yours).

Mr Wallis said...

Why can't they just leave us all alone? I mean we have enough fucking problems trying to get to work and back through the "oh shit here comes global warming" snow, what the fuck does it matter if we have 2 pints/cans when we get home. WHY DOES THIS GOVERNMENT HAVE AN OBSESSION WITH STOPPING PEOPLE HAVING FUN.

Governments are elected by the people to act in the interest of the people (ish). People want to drink alcohol, they do not want to pay insane taxes just because Stacey in Manchester got off her tits on stella and beat up an old lady. The problems caused by alcohol are outweighed heavily by the benefits. I mean, you don't ban cars because people have fucking accidents do you?

Oh and I'm glad the captchka thing has gone.

Obnoxio The Clown said...

Oddly enough, he looks completely bladdered in that photo!

Kevin Boatang said...

The government seems strangely at odds with itself on this one, they are against the measures so bitterly advocated by a group they fund. Which leads me to conclude that it's simply underhand and sly.

Like Puddles said up above, this smacks of the smoking 'debate'. Slowly slowly they crank up the heat and the reports and the numbers, it might take a while but in the end they get their way.

I usually think of a financial angle, but I just can't see one. And theories are most welcome.

The saving grace is some people smoke, most people drink.

Boo Boo said...

He looks like a woman who's had a sex change. The beard doesn't quite fit.

Vladimir said...

Most of us like a drink, it is true. So this can't be pushed on us in the same way as the smoking ban, which was very much "All smokers are evil; we officially endorse your prejudice against them."

Instead, Mr Quangocrat and the Government need to distinguish between "good" drinkers and "bad" drinkers. The coded message must be that it is the chavs and Jock McPissypants that are "bad", and everyone else is "good". Clearly they cannot say such a thing, it would be "social racism", to use the appropriate Guardianista term, but that is what they want you to think. You are told that it's not to discourage you from drinking, just the people you don't like. The extra taxes you will pay are a small price, because they, the "bad" drinkers, are paying more. "Anyone who drinks more than you is evil; we officially endorse your prejudice against them."

Kevin Boatang said...

I used to work with a bloke called Jock McPissypants as it goes. Oh the laughs we had when someone phoned up and he said 'Hello, McPissypants speaking'.

Ah, good times. Good times.

I'm going to try and keep an eye on this, I've requested some numbers from the DoH. I think this needs to be all out attacked early doors as momentum is starting to build.

wh00ps said...

I dunno what mr. wallis is complaining about: i love the snow. my crate of beer is at perfect temperature without taking up room in the fridge!
But seriously, crack on with this guys. Dick's been doing a pretty good job covering it but the more big-name blogs that get in on the act the better. Vladimir's point needs disabusing and the more people that see the game being played (just as it is with smokers and fat people) the more chance it has of being beaten.

Pytheas said...

So I click on the link to membership rates and for £25 students or the "unwaged". That's right, people aren't feckless leaches or even just unemployed; they are now differently waged.

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Spartan said...

Pubs are disappearing fast enough as it is without the added burden of increased taxes to help more go to the wall.

Does this mean the drinking will fall or stop? .... does it hell.
lt's quite astounding the number of people l know that are now brewing their own alcohol. Quite a major cottage industry nowadays.

They tried to reduce smoking by upping the taxes to an extortionate level .... so much so that indeed the levels of buying tobacco in the UK went down! Yay! success! Well, not quite because more and more people are getting their tobacco off the black market or bringing in their own from the EU.

If they continue on the same track with alcohol l can see the mothballed fleets of white vans making a comeback ... which will no doubt please the ferry companies and our EU Supermarkets and Tobacconists.

So the government will achieve no reduction in drinking but will achieve damaging the economy of the UK.

What a set of fucking idiots!

Rob F said...

As a teenager I used to drink for reasons of self-confidence. I rarely got pissed, but was drinking for entirely the wrong reasons. So I suppose I would have been described as a 'problem' drinker, or at least heading in that direction.

Twenty two years later self-confidence is no longer a problem,so I rarely drink. If I do though, as I did on New Years' Eve, I'll get absolutely wankered. Not because I feel that I have to, but because I want to. I can go for six weeks without a drink, and then drink through my goverment allocated bullshit 'limit' in one night. I don't hit people, though - I've never been in a drunken fight yet.

So do I have a drink peoblem, or not? Or do I just fit into whichever category the government find most convenient, so that people like me can be used as justification for the next phase of social engineering?

Mr Rob said...

OK back to the topic. Spartan is of course correct - if a demand for alcohol exists, it will be met.

These utter wank-stains are managing to combine the worst of all worlds - to take the parallel with "recreational" drugs, those who argue for trying to eradicate them realise that not only must their supply be made illegal, but their consumption must also be fiercely punished in order to attempt to extinguish demand. Those who argue for legalisation do so on the basis that demand will always exist no matter what, and therefore the supply should be controlled for reasons of safety and revenue (I recognise that some Libertarian may now come along with a differing, philosphical basis, but he/she can do the work, I can't be arsed). Mr Cunty Beard-Face manages to tick none of the boxes.

So, we drive a significant number of people who like a drink away from buying in British retail outlets by taxing them to hell. Well done. But it's not like with fags, is it?

Booze is more bulky to "import" - and whereas the British climate is generally not conducive to tobacco growing, one can home brew, or, much more significantly, home distill (if it is financially worth it).

Now we come to the crux of my fears. We are no longer, if we ever were, a nation of Real Ale swilling pint drinkers. What sells now to those who enjoy a good night out followed by a brief spell of incoherence and an exchange of bodily fluids (whether by violence or amore)? Super-strength cider and...alco-poppy stuff...either of which could be home-made by taking some highly-taxed normal cider or some fruit/soft drink and extending their usage by the addition of some hooch (witness vodka and Red Bull). Hooch is very cheap to make, hooch that you drink neat or subtley flavour requires a degree of skill and knowledge to make, hooch that is just going to be chucked into something else to increase the percentage of alcohol requires very little skill to make, and those with very little knowledge or skill who make hooch have a tendency to get it wrong every so often and damage or kill people.

I reckon Mr Cunty Beard-Face has really thought this one through, don't you?

Kevin Boatang said...

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The points above about going elsewhere are quite right. There is a certain parallel with, for instance, education. The middle classes can afford to simply move to the areas of the best schools, the poor cannot.

The same will be the case with booze. The people in the white vans won't be doing trips for Super White Diamond, they will be be bringing back all the shit normal everyday people want.

And it is the people that can afford to jump on the ferry that will get around the massive increases.

The vast majority of people will be fucked over by this, not to mention all the poor bastards who run pubs. One I used to (and JD) love going to is fast approaching £4 a pint of lager. I'm not joking.

Mr Rob, I've become much more of a real ale guy to be honest. I will drink lager but I prefer something with some flavour. Although ESB is to be avoided in my view, fuck me that gets you bungalowed.

The news at ten last night mentioned the campaign against smoking in light of this bullshit. And as their voxpops showed, just like fags the amount it needs to go up is far far more than they can ever get away with. And they know it.

Willy said...

I quit drinking 12 years ago, with the help of AA.

We Alkys are a fun loving bunch, who focus on self improvement and would never try to regulate or "improve" another person's behaviour, i don't know of one alky who supports prohibition.

The following is my own opinion, I am not a Doctor and i don't speak for AA

Alcoholism is not about how much you drink, it's about how the drink affects you, how you behave after drinking.

Want to know if you have a drink problem? Here's a simple test.

Gather your family and loved ones together and announce that you are quitting drinking.

If they ask "why" then i'd say you're okay.

If they say "Thank Fuck for that" then it's time to cut back on the booze.

If you find that once you start drinking, you can't "cut back" and you just carry on until you get pissed, and your undesirable behaviour continues, start looking for help.

Kevin Boatang said...

Great comment Willy and wise words indeed.

The Don blog appears to have been removed, very weird.