Steve Uncles, as predicted, copied and pasted my recent article on the British Democracy Forum. He added a few remarks which put the finishing touches to what I have been explaining all along - that the man is a farcical individual incapable of proper, civilised debate.
He stated:
Note that "John Demetriou" is "afraid" of this site.
He is also afraid of words like "Common Sense"
Yet another Liberal Self Hater for the Dust bin !!!!!!!!
I'll do a quick fire response to his remarks:
I am not afraid of the British Democracy Forum. I simply see no need or requirement to join it and engage in 'debate'. Our wrangle began as a result of you lifting my articles and placing them on a site to which one needs membership. This is rude and cowardly. I am not going to discuss my stolen article on a third party forum, where your rude and obnoxious supporters can join in one of your classic bullying campaigns.
I requested you to join me here and discuss, you refused. Your excuse was that I would tamper with or censor your posts. A claim that is ridiculous and feeble, given that you could always reproduce your responses like for like on the forum, so people could see for themselves whether tampering can taken place.
I repeat - why should I go to that forum, when as a blogger I reserve the right and integrity to debate my articles on my site?
I am not afraid of common sense. If I was afraid of common sense, I'd probably come round to supporting you. I believe it more than possible to love England, support an English cause, and also not support you. In fact, the two concepts are entirely compatible. Any reasonable-minded person would take this view.
As for Liberal Self-Hater, well, what can I say here? A cursory scan of my blog would reveal me to be far from 'liberal' in the modern sense. I am not left wing, or remotely liberal-left. Hence why I tear new arseholes for the BBC, the Guardian and other mouthpieces for the left on a habitual basis. I am a Libertarian, which is to say a classical liberal - someone who follows people like Hayek, Friedman and Kant amongst many others.
Have you heard of any of this before Steve, or am I talking mumbo jumbo here? Maybe I'm being anti-English, who knows.
As for self-hater, again, you couldn't be further from the truth. John Demetriou is an arrogant, narcissistic bastard. I positively love myself in fact. I think I'm the best thing since bread came sliced, and if I were a woman, and saw me, I'd gush my panties on the spot - no joke.
I talk myself up on this blog to such an extent, it's a wonder I haven't been diagnosed with some sort of self-aggrandising personality disorder.
Yet in all seriousness, any rational or sane person would instantly question the use of this term 'self-hater', in almost any given context. Very, very few people ever pen words which would indicate self-loathing.
Your term is often used in an ad hominem sense in the political arena. It is a grubby, vindictive expression that does little to explain a man's perspective and it fails to further debate.
What you mean to say is 'I disagree with you, and I want to tarnish you as a person, so I'm going to call you a self-hater'.
That your party chose you to lead them in a position of great prominence is a major reason why all voters next Thursday should eschew your scabby political party and leave the EDP well alone. A spoilt ballot would be a far more worthy exercise.
If this is your idea of winning hears and minds, Mr Uncles, then I feel sorry for you. I truly do. You are a worrying individual, and a great part of me feels sadness and pity for you. What a great shame that you chose politics to go into. I do believe that out there, somewhere, there is a Wetherspoon's pub minus a manager. Such a lofty ambition, surely, would be more of your calling?
Good day.
11 comments:
"I am not afraid of the British Democracy Forum. I simply see no need or requirement to join it and engage in 'debate'."
Have you still not understood just how laughably contradictory your own posts are, Mr Demetriou?
Well, at least it provides the entertainment factor on a Monday morning.
Enjoy your week.
Anonymous
I do not, of course, speak for John Demetriou, but I fail to see why it is incumbent on him to go and join another forum in order to debate his own articles which he posted here - just because someone slunk in and cut and pasted them to another site.
What does seem contradictory to me however, is that someone engageing in the democratic process as Lead Candidate for a politcal party, should want to steal articles from other blogs without the authors' permission or even knowledge, rather than openly debate them where he finds them.
It doesn't show much confidence in his own position, or his ability to argue for it, does it?
Are you still talking to these fucking idiots? Might I suggest redirect your address to something more receptive, intelligent and balanced?
Such as a brick wall?
AJ
Reading the English Democracy Forum over the last few days has made me feel how Alice did when she fell down the rabbit hole or went through the looking glass.
It’s a whole, but not brave, new world there, and not one that I would recommend being part of.
There are some reasonable people posting to the EDF who support a variety of causes which I may not agree with, but I can respect, because their arguments and reasoning are cogent and coherent – certain advocates of an English Parliament, for example.
However, there is a small but hard core of people – headed by Steve Uncles – who appear to be unwilling to discuss their views outside of the EDF and, instead, copy articles from this blog and then trot out their formulaic and dogmatic responses.
Uncles has denied that the EDF has ‘discussed’ certain blog entries of John Demetriou in secret.
However, by the very nature of most forums, there is a joining procedure and, unless you know that you and your writing are being discussed then it’s highly probable that you will never know.
When John discovered that his articles were appearing on the EDF he was justifiably annoyed and challenged Uncles to come out from the forum and discuss the articles and engage in open debate.
Uncles refused, on the grounds that his responses would be edited or even banned. Despite John’s assurances that this would not be the case, Uncles is still copying and pasting articles from this blog without allowing any open debate of the matters raised in them.
Uncles has some very strange ideas that could be filed alongside Flat Earth Theory and Fake Moon Landings, but cannot be so easily dismissed because they strike at human dignity, respect and decency – basic humanity in fact.
One such idea is ‘self hatred’.
According to Uncles, if you don’t place your ‘Englishness’ at the heart of your social and political beliefs then you are a ‘self hater’.
As such, you are likely to become mentally ill and very likely commit suicide.
Now, I took psychology at university and have remained interested in the subject ever since. At no time have I read, apart from in the EDF, anything which backs up Uncles’ theory.
Had one unfortunate individual not committed suicide then Uncles wouldn’t even have this one example that he regards as proof of the dangers of being a ‘self hater’ .
Uncles’ words on this one suicide are worth quoting here.
“Chris Lightfoot "went off on one" when he got an English Democrats leaflet in 2004.
He appeared to want to stick with the "Main steam" (sic) parties
- You know those MPs who have swindled Millions out of the Tax Payer.
I am not surprised at what happened to Chris Lightfoot, it is a lesson to all you Self Hating Liberals out there.
Love your Country and you will Love yourself.”
He also wishes such a suicide on people who disagree with him.
Understandably, some people on the EDF were outraged at Uncles’ comments and many now view him as a ‘loose cannon’ and, indeed, one is forced to ask how Uncles can ever hope to reach out to a wider audience in his attempts to advance his party and his own political career.
The vast majority of the electorate – and quite rightly so – would find Uncles’ theories about ‘self hatred’ nonsensical and his use of an isolated suicide as both evidence and an inherent danger of disagreeing with him and his party’s policies abhorrent.
In short, Uncles is making his party unviable and unelectable when it comes to gaining popular support.
Why?
All I can think is that whilst Uncles and his adherents may firmly believe that they are right, they are spectacularly politically naive and disingenuous when they think that bullying and stifling open debate are going to promote their ideas and win wider support.
I cannot think of any political movement that has gained widespread support from discussing its policies and principles mainly amongst its own members and without actually going out amongst the people it seeks to recruit and trying to persuade them of its viability.
In 2009 that means – amongst other things – reading blogs and questioning the bloggers themselves on their blogs.
The power of blogging and commenting on blogs is now proven, with more people than ever seeking answers to political questions online rather than in the MSM, and a wide variety of political ideas promulgated with minimal cost but maximum exposure.
Yes, there is a place for online forums, but if you remain within them in virtual isolation then you’re really just talking to yourself and that’s unproductive to say the least.
If it wasn’t so pathetic, it’d be amusing...
Socialist Unity has now taken up the baton, along with James Graham. Decent people from across the political spectrum united in horror. But something tells me that Steve Uncles will see this as a sign that he is doing something right because, after all, those people are anglophobes and self-hating liberals!
On the other hand, Toque, the fact that Uncles has united Socialists, Libertarians and certain Nationalist factions is rather encouraging.
He can try and salvage what ever minuscule amount of political capital he can from the situation, but it won't alter the fact that even other English Nationalists are trying to distance themselves from him.
Who would that leave to vote for him?
A few fellow self-hater haters...
Steve Shark, Toque, (Gareth Young), Johnnie etc
Well, Well, Well, - nice to you you guys all getting on "so well", in the cesspit of democracy called blog world.
Anyway, Your Day has finally come !!!
Judgement Day
The underlying tone of the stuff you guys write, is that the English Democrats, as a party is "OK" or at least "acceptable". But the "main problem" is me Yours Trully - Steve Uncles.
We this is your lucky day, as I have brought forward the election for Area Chairman for South East England from September 2009 to basically NOW !!!!!!!
This role, has an automatic seat on the National Council, and is VERY difficult to remove under the current constitution.
So, it's your big, big, chance to galvanise, all those in the English Democrats (and indeed English Movement), who YOU SAY, want "Steve Uncles out"
Here you go:-
http://www.englandunited.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=117
First thing you need to do is to find a candidate, as there are allegedely 100s in the English Democrats, who want Steve Uncles, not to be in a position of Responsiblity within the English Democrats - then you should not have too much problem there then - Should you ?
It's called Democracy - not taking quotes out of Context, or spamming the membership after illegally obtaining the membership list, or trying to imply racists intent, where there is none.
Anyway
I am up for it - are you ????
Maybe Gareth Young may want to stand against me himself ??
Run it past UKIP and your wife first ?
Can't wait for the challenge, or more likely the pathetic excuses you bloggers will come up with for not taking up the challenge.
I'm out mate, I'm washing my hair.
Nice of you to talk in the third person Steven.
Tell me, who is Charles Clarke again?
"Maybe Gareth Young may want to stand against me himself ??
Run it past UKIP and your wife first ?
Can't wait for the challenge, or more likely the pathetic excuses you bloggers will come up with for not taking up the challenge."
You might call this a pathetic excuse but I won't be standing against you because I'm not a member of the party and wouldn't want to be under any circumstances.
If I were to join the party and stand against you I might have to run it past my wife but I don't think UKIP would be interested because I seriously doubt that they've ever heard of me, given that I have absolutely no association with the party and never have done.
For those interested there's more Uncles' comedy over at Wonko's site.
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