I now have that quote in cold hard evidence. He has posted it on the British Democracy Forum and I have reported it accurately here on this blog.
Steve Uncles, the lead candidate for the English Democrats Party in the South East region for the Euro Elections next Thursday has stated that being critical of the EDP and its manifesto is tantamount to being anti-English.
He stated his opinion in response to a question I asked on the 'gauntlet' article on this site. Here's the relevant part of the Q&A, stated by Steve Uncles:
"Ques: Do you believe that being critical of the English Democrats Party and its manifesto is tantamount to being anti-English?
Ans: Yes"
He can hardly now deny making this statement. Yet the question now is, where should I raise awareness of Mr Uncles's statement that critics of EDP and/or its manifesto are anti-English?
Private Eye? local newspapers in the South East? the National Press?
Choices, choices.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Mr Rob for all his hard work in exposing Uncles and his sham outfit on the British Democracy Forum. He got his hands very grubby and put his back into it, so he should be congratulated. The thread where most of his efforts have taken place is here.
Thanks also to Steve Shark and also Al Jahom, who have also done their part in bringing out the best these people have to offer.
Mr Uncles does not want to debate or convince the electorate to vote for his party. He believes that by throwing mud at people and making unfounded slurs, people will believe him and feel such emotion and reaction that they will go to the polls to vote English Democrats.
He is wrong.
The man is incapable of representing his back garden, let alone the electorate in Brussels. He cannot argue, he cannot use facts and evidence to state his case, he behaves like a rude, obnoxious pig and he lacks even basic standards of intelligence and manners.
I believe the electorate would be very interested in Mr Uncles's views on the inherent anti-Englishness of people who question EDP policy.
I now ask you, readers, what you think I should do to help raise some awareness outside of the current mediums for debate. While you think about that, I'll have my dinner.
Cheerio!
EDIT TO ADD:
As if any further evidence were needed, if you wanted to know just how odious Uncles is, read this thread on the BD forum. Apparently, from what I've learned over the last few days, 'Chris Lightfoot' committed suicide - Mr Uncles wishes his fate on another person.
LINK.
35 comments:
Yes, it's me he wishes that fate on.
Chris Lightfoot was threatend with legal action by the EDP but he made them look like the imbeciles that they are, consequently the EDP take great pleasure from his tragic death.
I've been following Steve Uncles' 'career' in politics with interest.
It would be an utter tragedy for him to be elected to any position of influence or power.
It was Uncles who engineered the pact between the EDP and the Holocaust deniers of the England First Party.
Nice and savoury then!
What a delightful character. And a first class representative of England and Englishness, I'm sure you'll agree. Or then again, maybe not.
Thanks for dropping by Toque. Your level headedness and decency has not gone unnoticed from my observations of the goings-on at the 'British Democracy Forum'.
Sadly, I'll be bidding that place and all this talk goodbye soon enough, as I have no intention on making this blog a one-trick pony about tin pot, shitty outfits like the EDP.
I have bigger fish to fry.
Good luck that man.
But not before June 4th I hope John.
Hello Toque. I had a look as you suggested here http://www.efp.org.uk/page57.html
at the cosy EDP/EFP gathering.
Then had a quick look at the manifesto of Uncles' mates - I was especially impressed by point 5, which calls for the abolition (!) of all non-European faiths and the demolition of all mosques and temples.
Yeeeee - haaaa!
Stay safe.
Hi Toque and Mr Rob.
It's one thing having diversity of opinion and I respect almost any opinion if it's backed up with logic and reason as well as passion, even though I may not agree with it - but Uncles is just that step too far to the right to be acceptable and he lacks basic qualities such as manners, diplomacy, reasoning and the ability to argue.
He's just a bully.
"Stay safe"
Thanks, I intend to. He recently referred to me as a 'traitor' in the comments on an article I wrote, and then said that a lot of people would be very angry with me if the EDP do badly, which the moderator took as an implied threat and removed.
Nasty bunch.
"But not before June 4th I hope John."
nah, not before then.
I'm still wondering how/where to give this hilarity wider publicity.
Uncles won't mind as he thinks all this activity will do wonders for his election chances.
So no arguments from anyone then!
I still see that on the 'throwing down the gauntlet' article I wrote, Uncles fails to support his extreme accusations against me, or substantiate things he has said about me.
What a coward. I have some more tasty language for him, but I'll hold my tongue.
By the way Mr Rob, the mammoth thread on the British Democracy forum appears to be slipping down the ranks due to lack of activity.
You wouldn't do us a favour and give it a friendly 'bump' back to prominence would you?
Cheers old chap!
JD
Hi Steveshark
Yep, I've argued with John and Kevin many times in the past, but that is what it has been, arguing. Uncles is qualitatively different.
I'd love to ignore him, but having gone to that place where you also have been, I have to try to inform people about him. If he is voted in by people despite this, well that is democracy, but I would hate people to vote for his party in ignorance out of frustration with the rest.
Done, John
BTW I see Uncles has copied and pasted this comments section to have a go at Toque on the shite site.
Do you have any idea how pissed off I am that he didn't do the same to my comments on the other thread for Cassie?
Yeah, just saw that now.
He's obviously highly selective over what he chooses to, er, 'lampoon' if that's at all the right word.
I have to add here, that for someone as litigious as Uncles, he don't half dole out the mindless accusations and abuse.
We are 'liberal self haters' apparently, amongst other things.
He, of course, is the living embodiment of England all that is English.
Becuase, you know, being English is all about being a foul, obnoxious, abusive, semi-literate, inarticulate prick with an ego. If my previous paragraph is any semblance to the truth.
What a total, unmitigated C U Next Tuesday this bloke is. I've never exprienced anything like this in my life: an exercise in sheer, bloody minded ignorance.
and, as Steveshark said, bullying. It really is sickening to watch him and his little attack rabbit menacing people over on that site, especially when you realise they all know each others' true identities.
I can handle myself, but there is no way on earth I would be challenging some of the sickos over there if I knew they knew who I was. Might raise that one on another blog at some point over the pseudonym issue....
HAHA yes, indeed Mr Rob, the, er, 'pseudonym issue'.
I know that you and I agree on this, for reasons that are clear and perintent to the current discussion.
I see it as slightly sad that this isn't understood by you-know-who, but then again, I don't blame him at all to be fair. I think it's a generational thing, rather than anything else.
could be, I don't blame him either, I just think he's wrong!
BTW have you seen what Uncles has just posted on the new "14 words" thread over there? He is very very weird.
Yeah, I wasn't sure what to make of that. I.e. the whole picture of white kids versus picture of Mongolian kids.
He doesn't seem to make himself clear even on the most elementary of queries.
So he supports the concept of 'children of England', but then ambiguously posts up pictures of white flag waving kids and foreign kids.
What is this supposed to tell us?
Luckily for him, I don't go around making disgusting accusations so I won't be branding him a racist for that forum entry. Even though he has brandished me as such, without a shred of evidence to back it up.
The man is deplorable on every level. And he fails to play by the very rules that everyone else is bound by, but he feels exempt from.
What have we got now, 5 days till polling day?
I reckon I can keep this going till then. With some help of course.
Meanwhile, I'm developing fresh strategies...
yep, very important not to go off the deep end with him.
Just seen his new post - typos aside it's a cracker, but he's starting to drift away from his original assertion. He's now talking about not VOTING EDP being anti-English - but of course, how could one tell whom someone had voted for?
His original criticising or not agreeing with the EDP being anti-English is far more sinister.
What a disengenous prat he is.
Link: http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/english-democrats/62365-not-voting-english-democrats-anti-english.html
He's changed tack completely. The question wasn't about bloody voting for the EDP...it was, as per my very first article that started all this off, about being CRITICAL of the EDP manifesto.
This he stated, is to be anti-English.
He doesn't think before he writes. He is a complete moron.
His attitudes to democracy are worrying. His attitudes are dictatorial and weird and he doesn't tolerate any discussion of how his party could move forward with policy, without reaching for pejorative terms like 'racist' and 'self hater'.
This conduct one might expect from an extremist or someone bereft of civility. He exhibits these traits, pretty much every single time he pipes up.
He also pretends that the reason he won't engage here is because I will probably tamper with his posts or censor them.
I can guarantee and give my word I will not.
I think he doesn't come here because he knows he's out of his depth.
He is a snivelling little coward and a lame excuse for one too.
And another thing...why does he spend all day talking shite on a forum when he should be on the streets campaigning?
What a useless arse.
apart from that he's a top bloke though!
Tomorrow (or today) is another day.
Yeah it's only 5 days, it seems to be worth it.
"Boing" said Zebedee.
Here's a thought. I might give this some exposure on the Guardian Comment is Free blog. I have posting rights on that. I'll wait for an appropriate article to show up (which is likely given the elections on Thurs) and I'll lump on.
Links, lock, stock, the fuckin' lot.
(He even looks a bit like The Guvnor doesn't he?")
If you're going to do a CIF why not do one on the case for an English Parliament? We have enough problems getting the Campaign English Parliament message out without people lobbing grenades at individuals. There are many moderate people involved in the CEP and English Democrats.we are a grassroots movement and there is bound to be a few loose cannons in the mix.Why not join the CEP and find out what a bunch of anglophobic bigots are running our lives from Westminster?
For humour:
Steve Uncles is cagey about how near they are to a deal when we call, but appears realistically attuned to the nature of the beast. "Love him or hate him," he observes, "Mr Kilroy-Silk does have an ability to attract public attention."
tally
You forget I have spent the last couple of days corresponding with English Democrats. There are many words I could use to desribe them, but "moderate" does not spring to mind. I do accept that a few sad cases on a forum do not necessarily represent a party, BUT, and it's a killer BUT -
if you have a loose cannon, it's strange how all of the moderate English Democrats have chosen him to be their Lead Candidate for a region - don't you think?
John will no doubt speak for himself.
Rob wrote: You forget I have spent the last couple of days corresponding with English Democrats. There are many words I could use to desribe them, but "moderate" does not spring to mind. Which English Democrats are they? I know there are many reasonable people in the EDP. "Moderate" is used to describe people who, in my experience are anything but.
"Liberal" has now actually become to mean "illiberal" just as "wicked" has become "excellent", irritatingly.
As Toque, Rob, Demetriou and others seem hellbent on persuading people to not vote English Democrats, then pray tell us who you are going to persuade people to vote for?
In my personal opinion there is not a "moderate" party in Westminster, presently. People go on about Steve Uncles, but Gordon Brown leaves not only a lot, but everything, to be desired, and he is PM, God help us.
I have to confess, I don't understand why Steve Uncles spends time posting on forums that attract a relatively small number of viewers, when his time would be better spent writing and distributing press releases, but that's for him.
There is no other English party standing in these elections, so the chances of getting an English Parliament on the press agenda are restricted.
These blogospheric tit-for-tat attacks are not productive and merely result in members of the English movement emailing and phoning one another discussing who the ringer(s) is/are.
Of course this internecine blog discourse is exactly what a ringer tries to achieve.
I haven't a clue what this 'ringer' thing is supposed to mean. If you are that arrogant and blinkered, that you think detractors of your party can only be part of some sinister set-up, then I'm clearly talking to an imbecile.
You asked:
"pray tell us who you are going to persuade people to vote for?"
As if by highlighting one thing, I must have an alternate agenda.
That you only think in these black and white terms says it all.
I can only speak for myself here, but I tell no-one how to vote. I have no particular party in mind for these elections next week.
HENCE MY ORIGINAL ARTICLE which discusses the choice we have in my region and my confusion over who to vote for.
Guess what - you can be critical of something, without having an agenda, being a plant or being a trouble-making wanker.
As hard as it is for this concept to sink in, I suggest you keep trying.
I'm not in the EDP.
However, when I was a member I defended accusations head on, as I defend an English Parliament.
So, to suggest I have to resort to conspiracy theories is absurd.
However, this tirade is not about politicies, it's about personalities. The whole useless argument is based on mutual dislike between individuals.
Carrying it on in public like this is frankly - imbecelic. Or it could be the work of one or more ringers.
Either way, it serves no function other than mental masturbation for those mentalising, and damaging the cause (deliberately or incidentally).
Toque
This apparent link doesn't work
Chris Lightfoot was threatend with legal action by the EDP
If it was intended to be a link could you put it up again please?
John Demetriou said...
If you are that arrogant and blinkered, that you think detractors of your party can only be part of some sinister set-up, then I'm clearly talking to an imbecile.
...
As if by highlighting one thing, I must have an alternate agenda.
That you only think in these black and white terms says it all.LOL! Of course this statement is not at all arrogant, it smacks more of unbridled hubris.
Naturally, you are not seeing things in black and white terms as your retort clearly shows, not to mention the whole of your commentary on the EDP.
I must bow and concede to your superior open mindedness and withdraw.
Mr 'Gash' said:
"However, this tirade is not about politicies, it's about personalities. The whole useless argument is based on mutual dislike between individuals."
Incorrect. It's certainly an interesting concept, but disliking someone I have never met would be a new one for me.
No - this has zero to do with personalities clashing. This has to do with the fact that Mr Uncles copied and pasted an article I wrote, put it up on the Shite Site, AKA the British Democracy Forum, without permission or notification, and then proceeded from that point to make a series of fatuous, defamatory and stupid remarks and conclusions about me and my motives.
My subsequent attempts to engage with Uncles failed.
My subsequent pleas for an apology and a cessation of all future slurs and accusations, failed.
Mr Uncles could have ended all this, and can still end all this, by simply withdrawing his unrepeatable accusations and apologising.
That would be end of - the rest of the evidence on display is more thn adequate in showing the true colours of the EDP. I needn't say more on that.
You see - I AM A STUBBORN MOTHERFUCKER and ever so slightly off the wall, and when someone fucks me off, I generally keep coming back and back and back until I reach a conclusion to my satisfaction.
So, as promised, unless Uncles apologises for his behaviour and withdraws, I'll keep writing.
Bye for now.
Gordon Brown leaves not only a lot, but everything, to be desired, and he is PM, God help us.Very true, and I've spent an inordinate amount of time criticising practically everything Gordon Brown does. However, Gordon Brown doesn't respond to my criticism with accusations that I must be a BNP member, or by telling me that he'd like me to commit suicide, or by calling me an anglophobe or a self-hating liberal (which would seem counter-intuitive to his claim that I am a BNP member (even though I'm on the record many times as being opposed to the BNP).
The truth is that Uncles brings it upon himself. I've posted very little about him that he didn't put in the public domain himself.
The Chris Lightfoot link. He still hasn't learned that particular lesson, all these years later. He's a twat.
Chris Lightfoot was an extremely good egg and did some amazing work on increasing public involvement in politics and promoting civil liberties. To mock his death is beyond the pale. I shudder to think what the inner sanctum of the EDs is like if they endorse and support Uncles. The words "unprincipled shits" springs to mind. this is not mock outrage, I am utterly appalled that the English Democrats continue to sanction such a blazing idiot. He's the Alan Partridge or politics: offensive, stupid and intolerably smug.
Steve Uncles is not capable of dialogue. Anyone that disagrees with him is an anglophobe or a liberal or a self-hater or a Labour stooge or a member of Searchlight (he's accused me of this too). I've given up completely. I'll oppose the EDP for as long as he is their mouthpiece because he is a dangerous idiot.
An excellent, balanced and informative comment from Toque above.
I refer all readers of this current dialogue to his words and ask them to be cognizant of his warning on the dodgy, questionable and unscrupulous English Democrats Party.
Hi everybody!
JD, has it occurred to you that Mr Gash was being complimentary, and by his use of the term "ringer" he meant professionals, people far better than the usual lot?
Like when at the time of the annual inter-village cricket match the fielders of Little Felching gaze in horror as the two opening batsmen from Bigotswestry stride out from the pavilion and they recognise Freddie Flintoff and Brian Lara....."the bastards have called in ringers" they gasp.
Nah, I didn't think so either.
But Stephen Gash, be aware that by seeking to persuade JD to stop, you are harming the very people you wish to help, as the Great Uncles announced this afternoon that this little fuss had produced several new members for the EDs. So be careful, or he'll set cassie on you!
Love and kisses
Mr Rob
I've been reading Uncles' posts in the English Democracy forum and I've tried to be as impartial as I can.
But, honestly, what is there to respect, like or take seriously about the guy?
I admit that I'm biased - I don't really like many politicians at all, but I can see how some attract followers.
But Uncles...I really can't see the attraction, and if I could, I think I'd get myself checked out for psychiatric problems.
Well said, Mr Rob and SteveShark.
I'm also unsure as to why the English Democrats are so upset with me?
Think about it...their lead candidate for the South East has piped up and acclaimed all this exposure as the catalyst for a burts of new members and support.
Surely I'm doing you all a favour, no?
New article up, by the way.
Enjoy!
Mr Rob said: But Stephen Gash, be aware that by seeking to persuade JD to stop,I'm not trying to get him to do anything. I'm merely making an observation as to what I consider to be going on. Also, my reference to ringers was immediately assumed to mean those critical of Uncles, interestingly.
I'm not especially impressed with JD as he makes every discussion a personal confrontation, thereby doing exactly what he accuses Uncles of.
As I said I'm not defending Uncles, and I wonder what his motives were in resurrecting a suicide that happened 2 years ago and associating it with English nationalism.
That is exactly the kind of thing I would expect a ringer to do. That is a personal observation and I'm entitled to it.
No doubt JD will infer cretinism on my part, before engaging in a rational discourse. Well, he's entitled to, it's his blog.
John Demetriou said...
Mr 'Gash' said:
The inverted commas are a case in point. A personal jibe at my name, as if I hadn't seen or heard such jibes before.
Nothing new, but I would expect this from a complete twat of a keyboard warrior who hides behind a pseudonym.
@Stephen Gash
"I'm not especially impressed with JD as he makes every discussion a personal confrontation, thereby doing exactly what he accuses Uncles of."
So, how is any of that different to this?
"I would expect this from a complete twat of a keyboard warrior"
How is that glass house of yours?
I admit I descended to his level. However, I stand by what I say. I'm totally unimpressed with him, but I have to converse in terms he might understand otherwise he'd be lost.
I won't be bothering again.
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