So I threw down the Gauntlet to Steve Uncles. He picked it up, ran back to his hovel, poked about with it a bit, dropped it and ran away giggling. He is the quintessential troll, except this one has less green hair and less intelligence.
I've done so many articles and exposes on this man and his despicable, questionable and shady party, that you the reader may be forgiven for losing track on events.
So, to summarise and make things easy for you to trace and track what has been happening between the country's best blog and Steve Uncles (lead candidate for the EDP, S/E region in the Euro Elections), I've decided to put links to all my articles below. They are in order of when they were written, earliest to the most recent:
1 - June 4th and the Euro Elections - some thoughts.
2 - English Democrats Party declares war on Boaty & D.
3 - Imminent Euro 09 Election and further musings.
4 - Our War with the EDP, ill-mannered idiots & the Constitution - a catch up.
5 - EDP's Steve Uncles attacks Boatang & Demetriou - again!
6 - Throwing down the Gauntlet to Steve Uncles of the EDP.
7 - Steve Uncles: 'To be critical of the EDP is to be anti-English'.
It's all there in black and white. Importantly, a good deal of the, er, debate has been happening 'off the pitch', over at The Shite Site, also known to some as the British Democracy Forum. A place where, seemingly, misfits, odd-balls and fringe-party nerks go to vent and gloat and do things like slag off bloggers without having the guts to go to their sites on their own volition.
Credit goes to SteveShark and Mr Rob for wading through the black, gloopy swamp and doing their best to fish for answers to key questions. They came back empty handed, which I think is evidence enough in itself.
My 6th article entitled 'Throwing down the Gauntlet to Steve Uncles...' was interesting in that Steve Uncles managed to spit out some answers (albeit on the Shite Site) before clambering back underneath his spore infested rock.
I'll reproduce once more his answers to my questions:
"Ques: Do you believe that being critical of the English Democrats Party and its manifesto is tantamount to being anti-English?
Ans: Yes
Ques: If so, please give your reasons.
Ans: The English Democrats Manifesto is "Common sense" and simply putting England on a level playing field with Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland - please tell me where it does not do this in our 2009 Manifesto ?
Ques: How do you define 'English' in terms of a person's ancestry/genetic make up/blood etc
"English" is where your heart is - it's that simple.
Ques: and do you see England as being a country that should exclude non English people at any level?
No - as anyone who considers themselves to be English is English
Ques: What are your policies on immigration?
Sensible - did you know that England is the most densely populated country in Europe ?
Ques: How would an English Parliament work and how would it work alongside a Westminster government?
Ans: There are several models that could be used.
(see Campaign for English Parliament Site)
Ans: The model introduce in Australia and Canada by the British Government is one I personally favour.
Ques: What would the separation of powers look like?
Ans: See our manifesto - similar to the seperation between the Scottish Parliament and Westminster (British Parliament)
Ques: When you criticise people for being 'liberal self haters' and 'anglophobes' and 'racists' or 'bigots' against the English, what evidence do you use to come to these conclusions?
Ans You are a perfect example - even though the behaviour of our current MPs is totally disgraceful, you wish to "label" anyone in England as patriotic as a racist - you would not do the same for Plaid Cymru or the SNP - you have simply been brain washed into associating the Cross of St George with the "Far Right" this is NOT the case with the English Democrats.
Ques There you go, five questions. You don't have to answer all of them, or in that particular order.
Ans - well thank you very much
Here is a question for YOU.
What research did you do on the English Consitutinoal "Problem" before writing your original article ?"
If you read this Q&A on its own, without reference to any of the goings on between me, fellow bloggers and Steve Uncles and his crew of dodgy forum pirates, then you just might garner the impression that there's not much wrong here.
Which is why you really ought to catch up on the whole fiasco. Between me, Mr Rob, SteveShark and Toque (a passionate campaigner for an English Parliament and a free thinker), we've exposed more on the EDP and its, er, 'politics' than a streaker on Grand National Day.
If you want to read my responses to Mr Uncles's 'answers', then you can find them on the comments section of the Gauntlet article.
I think it is perfectly possible to maintain a respectable and decent position on the whole 'English Parliament' campaign, without being tarnished by this lot. I have no problems with sensible people who want to debate. Some have come to this blog and I have engaged in some polite, civilised debate with them. Simon Lock, for instance, and Toque. Even Paul Kingsnorth dropped by and whilst I didn't (as I recall) respond to his writing, I found him informative and interesting.
So, I have no agenda here.
Two motives have kept me writing:
1 - Mr Uncles's behaviour was so abhorrent and unacceptable, I felt compelled to set the record straight and seek an apology from him. In addition to that, I wanted him to debate with me on my blog, rather than run around the Shite Site writing disgraceful things about me, calling me 'racist', a 'liberal self hater', a hater of England and Englishness amongst many other things.
Most importantly, however...
2 - As a political blogger, I felt compelled, in the circumstances, to dig more and write about the EDP and its modus operandi. The coming Euro elections are unique, in that there hasn't been this amount of widespread detestation of the three main parties for a long time. Protest voting will be rife. It is therefore a duty, as a blogger, to highlight the activities of prominent people in the English Democrats Party, in order to raise awareness to the public on what they are about.
I generally, as I have always said, like sticking to the mantra of 'show not tell'. Why 'tell' people the score, when you can simply highlight what is already there - i.e. 'show'.
So please, dear readers, have a dig about and make your own minds up.
Meanwhile, I have no doubt at all that Mr Steve 'Bonkers Duracell Bunny' Uncles will continue to provide me with a fresh wealth of material about which to write and discuss on this blog. He has a habit of gutlessly copying and pasting my articles and ripping them (and me) on the Shite Site - he'll probably do the same to this.
The subsequent discussion and words stated on that site will promulgate further comment, and further exposure to his tawdry outfit and his warped personality.
Tea's up! See you soon, readers...
I think I feel sick.









21 comments:
There was a reason after just over 5 months in the EDP I quit.
This blog has confirmed I made the right choice. Steve Uncles is a loose cannon and is doing a hell of a lot of damage to the cause of an English parliament.
Frankly I am disapointed I ever joined and hope any future party I pay choose to help out won't hold it against me.
I am sure there are a lot of angry ex-EDP members out there who feel the same.
The English movement needs to clean up the mess within its ranks and I think for this to really work the EDP will have to disband to be honest.
I am thinking of putting together a blog myself and trying to get folk in a similar situation as myself to start writing for it.
The English movement needs to become mature and send the bullys and brats back to the playground!
Time for a change
Sounds like a good idea to me mate. I'll be quite happy never to go over to that place again after the 4th June, but amongst the bullies, cretins and the frankly insane, there seem to be some sensible people, although I haven't seen any posting as EDP members to be honest.
Uncles' latest thread that John has linked to is quite mind-buggeringly horrible. What sort of person thinks that saying that a human being commited suicide because he didn't like the EDP and became a "Liberal Self-Hater" is going to make people want to vote for him?
The bloke just keeps coming out with this never-ending stream of effluent - what sort of people chose him to be their Lead Candidate? Now that's really scary to think about......
Therein lies the rub, Mr Rob.
In all honesty, we don't know EVERYTHING about the EDP and we don't know ALL the characters that make up that party.
What we do know, however, is that Uncles has a very prominent position in that party and he has been bestowed with the responsibility and status of being the EDP's lead candidate for the S/E region next week.
That this has been allowed to occur, and that he obviously has sufficient support to maintain his position, says much.
And yes, the link in red above in my article is well worth a butchers.
I've scarcely read anything quite as shocking as that from a so-called 'politician' in my life (outside of history books, of course).
What an animal!
I found the comment about us not saying the same about the SNP to be slightly naive, in that we have.
And a pet hate of mine is the mixing of patriotism and nationalism. What kind of moron doesn't understand that they are far from the same? Maybe the sort of moron who thinks that a libertarian occupies the liberal left.
Kevin Boatang wrote: "Maybe the sort of moron who thinks that a libertarian occupies the liberal left."
LOL! That is exactly the sort of statement one would expect from the self-styled "Liberal left". In my experience such people are anything but liberal, except for liberally hurling abuse and stones.
I'm not defending Steve Uncles, but one of the accusations levelled at him is bullying. However, calling all and sundry "morons" because they don't agree with you somehow does not fall into the category of bullying.
With all due respect, you appear to be the sort of person who claims Stalin and Mao Tse Tung were not communists.
So please clarify to the morons the difference between nationalism and patriotism. Presumably, nationalism is not the last refuge of a scoundrel.
I have been reading the brit democracy forum comments, I was aware there was ructions over there but as I never use that forum I did not know the full extent of what has has been going on. a bloody disgrace.
Gash by name and it appears gash by nature.
A patriot is someone who loves one's contry, the nation state.
A nationalist is someone who loves the perceived ethno-cultural nature of the nation.
That is, people are partiots because they believe in the concept of political sovereignty of the state they live in, Adolf Hitler is a nationalist because he believed the ethnic culture of his nation defined it, not its borders.
It is pretty simple.
Also Gash, maybe you should look up the difference between a fucking liberal and a libertarian before making an arse of yourself. I beleive in social and economic liberty, the freedom of the individual, I am what is known as a classical liberal, or libertarian as it now is after the early 20th century hijacking of the word liberal by the left.
To attack me as the 'liberal left' is to show complete ignorance of the subject you argue.
Also, on what basis do you presume I am a communist apologist? Strictly speaking neither Stalin or Mao were actual communists, communism is the end state sought after the required period of socialism to which which had their rather unique brand, but in the 20th century umbrella of 'communism' it is considered they are. Therefore, no I would not argue they were not communists, although I would argue that the term is hugely misplaced and that is why we have terms such as 'Maoist' and 'Stalinist'.
Do I call him a moron because I disagree? No, you fucking twat. I call him a moron because, like you, he doesn't understand basic definitions of political terms yet feels compelled to throw terms like 'liberal left' at people who are quite clearly not on the left or liberal. This blog attacks politcal bollocks on every side and often slates the left, so to say I or John are in any way the sort of people that say such things about Stalin is plain wrong.
The EDP has every right to say what it wants without censor (because I'm a libertarian you see, I kind of beleive that as a basic point), simple as that. But I have the right to tell them they are wrong, which they are.
I would say to you to show me how a libertarian occupies the liberal left. In fact I dare you to explain it.
And by the way, it is not bullying, it is petty name calling. If I call someone a cunt it is not because I am bullying them, it's because I think they are a cunt. I don't call them a, for instance, short cunt. If I call someone a moron it is because they are seemingly stupid, not because I'm being nasty as they don't agree with me.
This from Uncles' personal statement:
"We are a tolerant nation. We tend to make the best of a bad job. We form queues, crack jokes, and maintain our English reserve"
Tolerant? How ironic.
Toque, I have felt the need to show quite how ironic this is in the latest article. Namely the bit about cracking jokes.
Botox If you actually read what I wrote before you flew off on one like a whore with herpes you might sound less like Steve Uncles.
"LOL! That is exactly the sort of statement one would expect from the self-styled "Liberal left". "
Which is exactly correct. That is exactly the sort of statement I would expect from a self-styled liberal-lefty. So why behave like one you soft twat?
Adolf Hitler wasn't a nationalist. He sullied the very notion of the expression "nationalist". He was a fucking empire builder, a socialist, which is why it wasn't called the Greater Germany, it was the Third Reich (empire).
It's pretty simple really. Moron.
Talking of morons your definition
"A patriot is someone who loves one's contry, the nation state.
A nationalist is someone who loves the perceived ethno-cultural nature of the nation."
is pretty oxymoronic.
A patriot is devoted to and ready to defend one's country.
One of the definitions of nationalism is "a policy of national independence that aims to unify a nation, create a state or liberate it from foreign rule"
Which is why it is not called The Scottish Patriot Party.
I know the difference well enough but its nigh impossible to be a fucking patriot without being a nationalist.
And as we are descending into jibing about names, I haven't found out yet what Boatang means, but it is probaly Swahili for "talk shit".
Is it your real name or just a keyborad warrior handle? I could always ask Gareth because he has a penchant for revealing peoples' real names on forums.
See ya Talkshit.
Mr G
"I haven't found out yet what Boatang means, but it is probaly Swahili for "talk shit"."
You just can't help yourself can you.
Yes, I see what sort of people we are dealing with when it comes to this outfit.
Bye, son.
John Demetriou
You people beggar belief. I make some valid comments, get nothing but abuse in return and then am met with pristine pomposity when I give it back. You disjh it out but sure can't take it. You're not Jocks by any chance?
You're the kind of people who say "I was within the rules".
Crap blog guys. Unlike Arnie, I won't be back.
"Crap blog guys. Unlike Arnie, I won't be back."
And like the broke degenerate gambler outside the casino, turning out his pockets in self-pity as dawn breaks, you always return.
Nice try at the self-pity / martyr tactic. It fails, by the way.
Simply because I refused and still refuse to debate with someone who in almost every single post he writes, slags off scots and makes racist remarks.
I'm not interested.
And if we're that shite, don't come back. End of.
Gasher,
"Adolf Hitler wasn't a nationalist."
Possibly the most stupid thing I have ever read in my life.
You then start getting twatty about nationalism and patriotism, with grasping the difference between a nation and a state. It isn't an oxymoron is it nobcheese. A nation is a cultural indentity of an area or people that makes it different, a state is a geo-political entity.
Hence, you fucking retard, why Scotland is a nation, and the UK is state. A nation can be a state, hence the term nation-state, so the UK is a nation-state because its culture make it distinct from any other, ie France, and its geo-policital structure define it's borders.
Hitler believed in the superiority of the German culture that defined it as a nation without the confines of any established border, ie a state. It was his wish to impose the national identity of Germany over and above that of other nations whilst absorbing other states into a Greater Germany.
You then claim you cannot be a patriot without being a nationalist.
You also appear to have serious race/national issues. First off I get abuse because my name might, oh no, be African. Then 'You're not Jocks by any chance', and what if I was? What the fuck are you talking about you cock?
"...the UK is a nation-state because its culture make it distinct from any other..."
Gawd! You really do talk shite mate. The United Kingdom is a political construct. Do you get it? It was deliberately constructed. There is no United Kingdom culture; there is English, scottish, welsh, and Northern Irish culture. I suppose there's a United Kingdom language to right? Ha! ha! What about a United Kingdom army? U.K. money? What about U.K. ethnicity? What a poxy dollop.
Toque said...
This from Uncles' personal statement:
"We are a tolerant nation. We tend to make the best of a bad job. We form queues, crack jokes, and maintain our English reserve"
Tolerant? How ironic.
Ironic or Funny Gareth.
Lots of people Laugh at you Mr Young, you are indeed a VERY funny man - some would same a Comedian !*?
There was a reason after just over 5 months in the EDP I quit.
This blog has confirmed I made the right choice. Steve Uncles is a loose cannon and is doing a hell of a lot of damage to the cause of an English parliament.
Frankly I am disapointed I ever joined and hope any future party I pay choose to help out won't hold it against me.
I am sure there are a lot of angry ex-EDP members out there who feel the same.
The English movement needs to clean up the mess within its ranks and I think for this to really work the EDP will have to disband to be honest.
I am thinking of putting together a blog myself and trying to get folk in a similar situation as myself to start writing for it.
The English movement needs to become mature and send the bullys and brats back to the playground!
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Pray, who are you ?
Where is the "moblisaition" of people who feel the same way as you do ?
What a wind up.
Kevin Boatang said...
I found the comment about us not saying the same about the SNP to be slightly naive, in that we have.
And a pet hate of mine is the mixing of patriotism and nationalism. What kind of moron doesn't understand that they are far from the same? Maybe the sort of moron who thinks that a libertarian occupies the liberal left.
So let's just clarify, this one
You Class the Scottish NATIONAL Party as a patriotic party or an ethno nationalists (bollocks) party
and you Class the English Democrats as WHAT exactly ?
And is your classificaition on the basis of a knee jerk reaction, or from a study of the Manifesto ?
I think Toque is balanced, well informed and quite intelligent.
This is evident in how he expresses himself in writing.
Such a means of judging a man's intelligence doesn't bode well for you, Stevey.
Steve,
Well done, you have just shown yourself to actually be a moron.
Point one about the SNP.
New paragraph.
Point two about patriotism and nationalism.
Do you understand now? Two seperate points yes? This isn't fucking hard Steve, it's really pretty simple in fact, but I guess this is what a degree from Greenwich gets you.
At no point have I said anthing about the SNP not being a nationalist party, maybe by your reading I was calling the SNP a libertarian party?
For fuck sake Steve, to think you thought you could serve in political office, you'd be worse than in Donny.
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