Friday, 29 May 2009

The English Democrats Party: A little digging goes a long way

I thought I'd continue with the current theme of the week. I'm having such fun with it, and it's pulling in the punters so well (thanks guys), so what the hell.

Let's have a little fumble with the toy thing that is the 'EDP' before I get bored come next Thursday and move onto far more important topics.

Like, perhaps, my opinions on motor vehicles from the far East, or my observations on unsettled weather patterns in Britain or whether I'm going to get factor 20 sun cream for my upcoming holiday to the Med.

I shan't re-state the whole tawdry row between the 'EDP' and this brilliant website. If you've been up to speed on the whole daft affair, there's a glimmer of a chance that there's half an ounce of intrigue left to squeeze out of your frontal lobe.

I was browsing the interwebs today on our favourite political party of choice, only to discover what appears to be an endless, unlimited source of information. It seems I am far from alone in having bizarre, surreal online feuds with Steve Uncles and the EDP. It happens all the time.

Honestly, I feel as though I have woken up as a character in a 'Saw' movie, except it's real, and I think I'm alone in the room, chained up and tormented by a complete freak, except in the next half a dozen rooms there are people just like me, wondering how the hell they'd woken up in a filth encrusted, stench filled shit hole.

I'll provide one example, and believe me if you dig about enough, the whole thing is a real eye opener.

I stumbled across a blog post written by a harmless Scottish bloke called 'Adullamite'.

He, from a very different stand point to my own, also criticised the English Democrats Party, following on from a party political broadcast (I based my criticism on their manifesto as seen on their website).

I implore you to read the comments that followed from his article on his blog. At least one of these posters have come here to attack me, yet the majority of the content of these responses from people are, how shall I put this? Disturbing.

But what happened next? Yep! You got it! Steve Uncles got wind of it, and...copied and pasted it onto the British Democracy Forum!

Here's what he had to say about the Scottish blogger. I'm sure you'll find it all in good taste and all quite respectable and appropriate for a prospective Member of the European Parliament representing this country:

"English Democrats "laughing" at Liberal Democrats Self Hater

O Deary me - another Liberal Democrats Blogger who Hates his Country - England

He wants the current English to take responsibility for the FACT that the Scottish atttempt to gain an Empire prior to 1707 resulted in Scotland going bankrupty, like the Scottish Banks today, ENGLAND had to bail our the Scots."

Penfold, I'm sorry, I meant...'cassie', then followed up with:

"He sounds like another closet Scot too dishonest to say so. Pathetic!

Old Gashie has given him what for!!!"

So this is how the upper echelons of the EDP behave is it? To rip into bloggers for having an opinion and exercising their free speech, but not to their faces as a rule, rather on this wotsit democracy forum thing.

By 'rip into', I mean to say, to use thoroughly repugnant and unseemly language like 'self hater' and use pejorative language in the description of Scottish people.

The spectacular irony here, is that Mr Uncles has somewhat of a habit of tracking down dissenters and people who disagree with his party and it's position, and lambasting them for racism and defamatory behaviour.

So it's OK to go round the net, and lay unsubstantiated charges and serious accusations against harmless bloggers, calling them names and using distasteful pejorative terms and ill-mannered, intemperate language against them. But as soon as anyone says anything negative about him or the EDP, he hits the roof and gets all offended and upset.

Can anyone tell me what this bloke's problem is? Or is it all a stunt to drum up publicity for his party, hoping that the more the EDP get mentioned (regardless of the context) the more likely people are to vote for it?

It's a risky election strategy is Uncle Uncles's I tell you! The last time I saw a strategy like this (for he is or was the EDP's 'Election Strategist') was when I last visited my local William Hill bookmakers and an old bloke told me he chose his horses according to whether they had a nose band.

I think your horse has bolted, son.

5 comments:

John Demetriou said...

Oh Lordy!

You have got to check this out:

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/english-democrats/48214-english-democrats-they-racist-party.html

It just keeps getting better!

It's getting to the point where it's obvious I'm wasting my time talking about this lot! It is so sad and pathetic.

One factor that makes it worthwhile is that there are many people looking to protest vote against the big three next week, and there may be uninformed people out there that may give this shower a second look in the booth.

Really, please don't bother.

Mr Uncles - you've posted only once on this site since you initiated this unseemly row. Do you fancy popping back and at least making a go of a discussion?

Or do you feel unable or nervous of making an account of yourself and your party here?

Come on Uncles, I'm getting bored of waiting.

Simon Lock said...

Mr Demetriou

Can I please apologise, on behalf of the English cause, for the conduct of Steve Uncles. He has acted out of hand, and I hope that you will not judge all English Nationalists by him. I am not a member of the English Democrats, I am a member of the Free England Party, and although i am sure that Mr Uncles feels no shame I personally believe that he should.

To answer you original question, the English Democrats call for an English Parliament within a federal UK, with powers similar to that of the Scottish Parliament. This would mean that westminster (which is not an english parliament, but a UK one), would still exist, but the english parliament would have less powers than westminster, and would only control parts of english politics.

In comparison, the other major English party, the Free England Party, calls for an end to westminster, and a totally independant england, free to govern itself, with its own parliament, making all the decisions for england.

I hope this helps you. Once again, i apologise on behalf of the English Cause.

Yours,

Simon Lock - Free England Party

John Demetriou said...

Dear Simon

I am sincerely grateful for your polite, dignifed and reasoned post. Thank you for writing.

I would add here that Mr Uncles has certainly not put any dent in my feelings towards this country.

I respect your cause and I harbour no ill feelings towards all those who maintain political convictions relating to moderate English nationalism.

It is late and so I will respond in a little more detail tomorrow.

Kind regards

John Demetriou

John Demetriou said...

Dear Simon.

To address your point about an English Parliament existing alongside Westminster and having less powers.

As a Libertarian, I strongly believe the problem lies in excessive government and stratas of the state.

I do not see the necessity in setting up a new English Parliament and I think it would be extremely costly and constitutionally awkward.

We need to be winding down centralised control, not racheting it up.

I see the arguments about powers to Scotland and Wales etc. Yet these issues can be resolved without going down an English Parliament route in my opinion.

England is obviously the dominant force in the UK and therefore an English dominated Westminster cannot be said to be letting England down.

The stuff about money going to Scotland to prop them up is true to an extent, but again, I think there are other ways this can be solved. I have explained in recent articles what I think these solutions could be.

The question is: is all this serious enough to warrant major changes?

I believe the route chosen by the EDP is wrong, because it obsesses about race and Englishness, or at least that is how it comes across from leading, vocal members.

The key problem is in fact excessive state, socialist policies and authoritarianism.

The Libertarian solutions (as put forward by the LPUK) are better at tackling the imbalances and biases in the system that may occur.

That said, I respect your views and wish you luck in the future.

regards

John

Simon Lock said...

(I will quote you so it is obvious which bit i am replying to.)

"As a Libertarian, I strongly believe the problem lies in excessive government and stratas of the state.

I do not see the necessity in setting up a new English Parliament and I think it would be extremely costly and constitutionally awkward."

I agree with this, and that excess government is a bad thing. Because of this, the Free England Party supports replacing Westminster with a smaller, English Parliament, keeping the existing devolved parliaments, each able to govern themselves. Therefore, there would be less politicians, but more fairness for each country. The English Democrats, on the other hand, support MORE government, adding an additional parliament to the already overburdened UK.



"We need to be winding down centralised control, not racheting it up."

Again, I agree, which is why both the English Democrats and the Free England Party are Eurosceptic, and support government being decentralised down to local level.



"I see the arguments about powers to Scotland and Wales etc. Yet these issues can be resolved without going down an English Parliament route in my opinion."

We believe that it is unfair to grant these powers only to some of the UK countries. We believe that there should be the same deal for everybody.




"England is obviously the dominant force in the UK and therefore an English dominated Westminster cannot be said to be letting England down."

However, because Scotland has its own parliament, they get free universities, even if they go to an english university, but an english person must pay in both england and scotland. There are other examples as well.




"The question is: is all this serious enough to warrant major changes?"

we believe so, yes. The current system is outdated and not working.




"I believe the route chosen by the EDP is wrong, because it obsesses about race and Englishness, or at least that is how it comes across from leading, vocal members."



In the FEP, we believe that you are english if you are either born in England, or an English citizen. (under an FEP government this would exist). We believe that race and religion is irrelevant, and that although there is an "ethnic" english, as there are other ethnic groups, this should not affect your right to live here.




"That said, I respect your views and wish you luck in the future."

and the same to you. Thank you.

Simon Lock - Free England party